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  1. [verwijderd] 30 juni 2011 12:45
    let's wait for the final news... even er tussen uit , laat eenieder lekker traden en na het nieuws kunnen we zien wat het plafond gaat worden...Ik zit erin en ga nu rustig wavhten op wat komen gaat.
  2. [verwijderd] 30 juni 2011 12:46
    quote:

    Shadow67 schreef op 30 juni 2011 12:42:

    – If the problems are resolved so … An announcement is imminent, I would think in a couple of days, but maybe not this week.
    Best tegenstrijdig, eerst imminent en dan weer a couple of days of lult die gast maar wat...
  3. AX lover 30 juni 2011 12:47
    Er zijn mensen van Pang Da & Youngman in Zweden op dit moment.

    quote:

    schreef:

    Saab can get new money

    Published 07:23
    Updated 11:55

    With new money from Gemini, Saab in just a few days managed to get a total of over 600 million. While sitting Saab in Stockholm and is negotiating with Pang Da and Youngman on a long term investment solution.

    The time 16:40 on Wednesday came the news to Saab's employees: wages are going, and the solution is a so-called bridge loan of EUR 25 million from Gemini.

    The fund, which according to previous data are linked to the Russian businessman Vladimir Antonov, has previously invested in Saab.

    - This is a short term loan, and the safety of Gemini is the deal we have with Pang Da and Youngman at 245 million, said Eric Geers, Director at Saab.

    - Pang Da-money can come in early in the autumn, in September-October, and that is money that goes directly into the Saab. They shall we then pay back the loan with Gemini.

    If all approvals fall into place, Saab in the past few days arrangements completing checkout with over 600 million: 115 million for the sale of cars to a Chinese buyer, 255 million for property sales and now these 235 million of bridge loan forms.

    While this is also ongoing work on the rest of the country in the long-term plans to get Pang Da and Youngman as the owner. The two Chinese companies are in place in Sweden right now to see the Saab line with Muller in the lead.

    According to the TTELA is the Stockholm, not in Trollhättan.

    It teaches also the reason why Vladimir Antonov is currently located in Stockholm. Although he has an interest in meeting with the Chinese companies, then the ambition of both himself and the Saab is that he will get a stake in the company as soon as all parties are willing to accept him.

    Vladimir Antonov was also on hold a press conference in Stockholm in the afternoon, but it has been cancelled.

    For Saab, the new money in the account, now remains the big challenge to get production going again.

    - It can of course take up quite quickly, but it is understood that we get to a good agreement with the suppliers. Today's news, that is, bridge loan, is of course very good news for them too, said Eric Geers.
    ttela.se/ekonomi/saab/1.1271200-nya-p...
  4. [verwijderd] 30 juni 2011 12:53
    hahhaahaha... er staan geen grote orders meer uit, dus is een stukje terugloop heel gewoon...
    iedereen it nu op zijn aandeel en over een uurtje gaat het weer los... let maar op.
    Dus keep the Champie cold....
  5. [verwijderd] 30 juni 2011 12:53
    quote:

    AX lover schreef op 30 juni 2011 12:47:

    Er zijn mensen van Pang Da & Youngman in Zweden op dit moment.

    [...]
    ttela.se/ekonomi/saab/1.1271200-nya-p...
    het lijkt erop dat de Chinezen zeker zijn van hun goedkeuring en nu ontstaat een dilemma: Antonov wilt ook een stuk van de taart...
  6. [verwijderd] 30 juni 2011 12:58
    quote:

    Ping schreef op 30 juni 2011 12:53:

    [...]

    het lijkt erop dat de Chinezen zeker zijn van hun goedkeuring en nu ontstaat een dilemma: Antonov wilt ook een stuk van de taart...
    FASTEN YOUR SEATBELTS
  7. AX lover 30 juni 2011 13:02
    Een goede analyse van de situatie rondom Antonov met betrekking tot het Swedish National Debt Office, Zweedse regering, General Motors en de Europese Investerings Bank.

    quote:

    schreef:

    Debt Office angers EIB

    June 30, 2011 at 22:39 - Jonas Fröberg
    Let Antonov go into the Saab and avoid bankruptcy. Keep him off and Saab can fall. It is the core issue and the government is squashed between the Debt Office, which is positive and the EIB, which is negative to Antonov. At the same time resigned yesterday, the only Swede in the Bank's management, Eva Srejber.

    The issue if Vladimir Antonov may enter as a partner and put money in the heavily bleeding Saab has been in a long bench at the European Investment Bank, EIB. Now the question is scorching. Saab is struggling in its cash crisis. Yesterday the salaries were paid. But you have to get production going.

    Yesterday, Saab is another little respite time with a loan of 25 million euro from the fund Gemini, which owns Saab and has close ties to the Antonov. But it is not enough.

    If Antonov may enter as an owner, he has promised to invest up to 100 million euro that can provide additional respite.

    Question of ownership requires approval of four parties: the National Debt Office, the Swedish government, GM and the EIB. All have veto power. It has turned into pure spin where Saab thrown around like a hot potato that nobody wants to take in. In the middle of the drama depart now EIB Swedish deputy director, Eva Srejber. She has served as one of eight deputy directors of the European Investment Bank since 2007. Her appointment expires today, last June. She is replaced by the former Austrian Finance Minister Wilhelm Molterer. Thus, Sweden is no longer representative of the EIB's management. SvD Näringsliv searched yesterday Eva Srejber, but she was reported busy to sit in the meeting.

    Here's what's up with all the parties:

    1) Debt Office, which investigated the question of ownership to the government approved the Antonov as owner on 27 April.

    2) The government did not want to say yes, despite the fact that the Debt Office investigated the issue for them, but say they wait for the EIB's and GM's stance. The reason is that the EIB earlier this spring proved that it had problems with Vladimir Antonov. That was when Antonov in April wanted to buy properties in the Saab to release capital for Saab. According to sources put the EIB, which demands that Saab would solve all their loans in the Bank, which became impossible.

    3) From the EIB has been a resounding silence. According to SvD Business experience, the EIB has made its own investigations and had problems with Antonov. It is unclear whether this is due to the examination or if there are other reasons. They have also taken note of the Debt Office's investigations. New data says there is an irritation of the EIB's management of the Debt Office's investigation that they thought was not thorough enough. While the National Debt Office said to be irritated by the EIB's long processing times. EIB's approach to date, according to several sources, is that they prefer to leave the Saab with the EIB loan. Saab has now lifted over 217 million euro's in loans, which would have to be settled.

    One reason is that the EIB loan would be given to projects in the "healthy" company. Now Saab has fallen out of its business plan and need big money to continue. The EIB can not give money to the routine operation of a liquidity crisis - what Saab needs right now. According to sources, it is because Bank failed to pay an installment of 29 million euro to Saab - which then need more money from other sources first.

    Antonov's matter has been addressed in so-called credit committee - consisting of the EIB's eight deputy directors. They meet once a week. That was where Eva Srejber sat until yesterday. It is unclear what her departure means for Saab.

    4) GM must also approve Antonov as owner and financier. There is concern in itself. GM has officially approved the Antonov comes into play.

    But GM wants - like the EIB - to go from Saab and GM's conditions are, according to sources, the Antonov buy off their so-called preference shares (which is a kind of loan). They are worth around $326 million, but according to various sources Antonov buy them for around $123 million.

    According to other sources to GM that the Swedish government, contact the GM and that together they approve Antonov.
    www.svd.se/naringsliv/riksgalden-reta...

    Zo zit het kwartet spelletje tussen de NDO, Zweedse regering, EIB & GM dus in elkaar.
  8. AX lover 30 juni 2011 13:07
    quote:

    Ping schreef op 30 juni 2011 12:53:

    [...]

    het lijkt erop dat de Chinezen zeker zijn van hun goedkeuring en nu ontstaat een dilemma: Antonov wilt ook een stuk van de taart...
    Dat weten die Chinezen nog niet hoor. Die goedkeuring is afhankelijk van 3 (of 4) Chinese overheidsinstantie (die traag zijn) en daarnaast ook nog eens van het NDO, Zweedse regering, EIB & GM. Die duidelijkheid komt pas in september/oktober.

    Ze zijn nu in Zweden om te kijken hoe de staat van Saab is. Waarschijnlijk zijn ze nogal geschrokken van wat er de afgelopen weken gebeurd is. Waarschijnlijk moet Victor ze even gerust stellen. Ook moet er nog steeds een daadwerkelijke MoU worden uitgewerkt. Op dit moment is er nog geen enkele binding overeenkomst tussen Saab en de Chinezen.

    PS Dat Antonov een aandeel wil is al vanaf het begin bekend. En feitelijk is Antonov al aandeelhouderm want hij is de eigenlijke eigenaar van de aandelen die Victor Muller heeft.
  9. [verwijderd] 30 juni 2011 13:19
    quote:

    AX lover schreef op 30 juni 2011 13:07:

    [...]

    PS Dat Antonov een aandeel wil is al vanaf het begin bekend. En feitelijk is Antonov al aandeelhouderm want hij is de eigenlijke eigenaar van de aandelen die Victor Muller heeft.
    Dit kan jij nooit zeker weten beide praten hier nooit over tenminste niet in
    de interviews die ik heb gezien.
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