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  1. Adek 2001 8 april 2015 14:53
    quote:

    SNSN schreef op 8 april 2015 14:28:

    [...]

    But, appiehappie, it's certainly not surprising for you... You know this very well, isn't it? It's just a standard profs' "invest/trading strategy" - to put and lock (small) retailers as high as possible at the top of pyramid..., and then usually it's just their (retailers) own job/problem to let stock rising further.., although, profs sometimes indeed "help" them as well, but not always - "no guarantee". That's why GS, for instance, (as well as many others) often gives "buy advices" after stocks rise ~100% (from the LT-bottom)... Though, for active retailers-traders it's used on all time-horizons, including daytrading as well
    to tell you the truth I think it's getting very dangerous now. Like Appie first he warns and tells us that it's going all down. And now he's getting in. He, and many like him are getting in on the top at least that's my perception of the whole ball game at the moment. I have 95% cash. Made a real good first three months don't want to spoil it by getting greedy.
  2. [verwijderd] 8 april 2015 14:59
    quote:

    Adek 2001 schreef op 8 april 2015 14:53:

    [...]to tell you the truth I think it's getting very dangerous now. Like Appie first he wants and tells us that it's going all down. And now he's getting in. He, and many like him are getting in on the top at least that's my perception of the whole ball game at the moment. I have 95% cash. Made a real good first three months don't want to spoil it by getting greedy.
    The last fool pays:-)

    APPIE is the last buyer,haha.
  3. Adek 2001 8 april 2015 15:11
    quote:

    easy56 schreef op 8 april 2015 14:59:

    [...]The last fool pays:-)

    APPIE is the last buyer,haha.
    Het piramidespel is voltooid! ;)
  4. [verwijderd] 8 april 2015 15:29
    quote:

    appiehappie schreef op 8 april 2015 13:48:

    Lang aan de zijlijn gestaan met cash maar ik zal toch maar denk ik instappen. De koersen gaan alleen maar omhoog. Een weg terug kan niet gezien het algemene positieve sentiment. Op naar de 4,- euro hoop ik.
    De banken doen er alles aan om burgers in te laten stappen en ook geld te laten verdienen op de beurs. Kijk zo hoort het.
    Zeker net terug van een voettocht naar Rome.
  5. [verwijderd] 8 april 2015 15:45
    quote:

    Adek 2001 schreef op 8 april 2015 14:53:

    [...]to tell you the truth I think it's getting very dangerous now. Like Appie first he wants and tells us that it's going all down. And now he's getting in. He, and many like him are getting in on the top at least that's my perception of the whole ball game at the moment. I have 95% cash. Made a real good first three months don't want to spoil it by getting greedy.
    First of all, given the posts' properties, the prob is high that 'appiehapie' is a lady - so it seems would better use 'she'

    Second, if you are talking about the (overvalued) markets - aex, then yes, it's really a "hard-decision" time. There are a lot of (technical) indicators for "top-forming"..... But, this time it's NOT so easy, as we had a "structural" fundamental changes in underlying market-drivers, so that the underlying processes are getting highly NON-stationary, and standard technical indicators are NOT working then:

    One of the reasons is just ECB (actually stupid) action with covered bonds program, leading to just a huge amount of "new cash" released. It may go either to financial markets (high prob), pumping even bigger bubble, and then indices will certainly rise even further, or it may go to real economy (low prob) rising inflation and economy itself. But, based on economic rules, it's more probable that the "new free-cash" should go to the financial markets, instead of real economy, as the market-risk (in financial markets) is anyway much lower than the risks associated with uncertainties within the real-economy (in current conditions)... The situation, in some extent, is close to 2009. (The prob is reasonably high that the real correction for aex should come before the end of June)

    Third, if you are talking just about (still undervalued) kpn, then it's very different, as kpn has very different its own underlying mechanisms (that's why it's not really correlated with overvalued aex). And following a number of objective reasons (actually very basic - see old posts for details) it will contimue to rise toward the fair walue.... However, theoretically there is still a small prob for a narrow dive under 3.0 until we are under the resistance zone ~3.37-3.385.
  6. Adek 2001 8 april 2015 16:08
    quote:

    SNSN schreef op 8 april 2015 15:45:

    [...]

    First of all, given the posts' properties, the prob is high that 'appiehapie' is a lady - so it seems would better use 'she'

    Second, if you are talking about the (overvalued) markets - aex, then yes, it's really a "hard-decision" time. There are a lot of (technical) indicators for "top-forming"..... But, this time it's NOT so easy, as we had a "structural" fundamental changes in underlying market-drivers, so that the underlying processes are getting highly NON-stationary, and standard technical indicators are NOT working then:

    One of the reasons is just ECB (actually stupid) action with covered bonds program, leading to just a huge amount of "new cash" released. It may go either to financial markets (high prob), pumping even bigger bubble, and then indices will certainly rise even further, or it may go to real economy (low prob) rising inflation and economy itself. But, based on economic rules, it's more probable that the "new free-cash" should go to the financial markets, instead of real economy, as the market-risk (in financial markets) is anyway much lower than the risks associated with uncertainties within the real-economy (in current conditions)... The situation, in some extent, is close to 2009. (The prob is reasonably high that the real correction for aex should come before the end of June)

    Third, if you are talking just about (still undervalued) kpn, then it's very different, as kpn has very different its own underlying mechanisms (that's why it's not really correlated with overvalued aex). And following a number of objective reasons (actually very basic - see old posts for details) it will contimue to rise toward the fair walue.... However, theoretically there is still a small prob for a narrow dive under 3.0 until we are under the resistance zone ~3.37-3.385.
    Oh I didn't know Appie was a girl. Sorry for that Appie. Agree, indicators are useless under these circumstances. So why take large risks, it's a casino. The house of cards can fall any minute, or nothing will happen. Place your bets!
  7. [verwijderd] 8 april 2015 16:10
    quote:

    Adek 2001 schreef op 8 april 2015 14:53:

    [...]to tell you the truth I think it's getting very dangerous now. Like Appie first he warns and tells us that it's going all down. And now he's getting in. He, and many like him are getting in on the top at least that's my perception of the whole ball game at the moment. I have 95% cash. Made a real good first three months don't want to spoil it by getting greedy.
    Zo te zien een nieuwe iPhone 6.
  8. [verwijderd] 8 april 2015 16:39
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    Abbey schreef op 8 april 2015 16:02:

    Tot nu toe hadden ze deze week kunnen overslaan voor de KPN belegger.
    Wat een saaie boel.
    Had ik maar niets gezegd!
  9. [verwijderd] 8 april 2015 17:31
    quote:

    Adek 2001 schreef op 8 april 2015 17:09:

    [...]Dat wordt middelen, ik wacht tot 3,25
    zo heb je niets meer en zo weer 5000:-)

    shell mischien ook eerdaags weer aan de beurt,maar geen haast.
    gazprom meer mn favoriet ivm groei in azie.
  10. [verwijderd] 8 april 2015 17:34
    quote:

    SNSN schreef op 8 april 2015 12:05:

    However anyway there is still a small prob to dive under 3, until we are under the (current) resistance zone ~3.37-3.385 (see old posts)
    Prob wordt steeds groter, zo te zien!
  11. [verwijderd] 8 april 2015 17:36
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    appiehappie schreef op 8 april 2015 13:48:

    Lang aan de zijlijn gestaan met cash maar ik zal toch maar denk ik instappen. De koersen gaan alleen maar omhoog. Een weg terug kan niet gezien het algemene positieve sentiment. Op naar de 4,- euro hoop ik.
    De banken doen er alles aan om burgers in te laten stappen en ook geld te laten verdienen op de beurs. Kijk zo hoort het.
    Toch te vroeg wijfie.
  12. [verwijderd] 8 april 2015 17:38
    quote:

    Adek 2001 schreef op 8 april 2015 16:08:

    [...]Oh I didn't know Appie was a girl. Sorry for that Appie. Agree, indicators are useless under these circumstances. So why take large risks, it's a casino. The house of cards can fall any minute, or nothing will happen. Place your bets!
    NOT for (still undervalued) 'kpn' - it's very deterministic now (due to change in fundamentals)...., timing as well.

    YES, that's right for (overvalued) 'aex' - it's just a "bet" - It may still rise.... just due to "asset bubble" (i.e. unintended inflation within the financial markets, instead of well intended cpi-inflation). It's just based on pure "risk priorities" objectives (see last post), as that new "printed (empty) money" just most likely wouldn't reach real economy. Though, there are actually NO fundamental (objective) reasons for markets to rise, as it makes the gap with 'real economy' just deeper...

    To be precise, the current "QE" (with ECB covered bonds) could really make sense in June-July 2011, or even just a bit earlier.... In such case there was a very high prob that (at that time) Europe could avoid current "artificial crisis" completely.... The matter is that Europe had very little to do with the US "credit crunch" (because of a very restricted European exposure to CDOs, MBS/ABS, and other structured/synthetic products trigged the US crisis).
  13. [verwijderd] 8 april 2015 17:50
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    G. Roet schreef op 8 april 2015 17:34:

    [...]

    Prob wordt steeds groter, zo te zien!
    That (small) prob is caused neither structural, nor systemic drivers....

    It's just a matter of (small) irregular component for stochastic process (of course, conditional on current info, and adequate/rational behavior of kpn board, assuming no stupid decisions should be made).
  14. [verwijderd] 9 april 2015 09:27
    For today: PP=3.306
    Resistance: R1=3.328; R2=3.366
    Support: S1=3.267; S2=3.247

    So, business as usual.... As planned, we consolidate under the resistance zone ~3.37-3.385 (see old posts), changing (very) short-term up/down subtrends, as necessary (in order to keep the drift flat).
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